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Edo Castro by Brent-Anthony Johnson

 

Edo Castro’s passion for music in general and the electric bass guitar in specific are undeniable!  His latest offering, “Phoenix” was released in 2006, and the rich, textural compositions weave a timeless musical expression!  Edo spent many years as a disciplined self-taught bassist before attending Chicago’s American Conservatory of Music where he received a Bachelor of Music degree, in 1987.  Since returning to his beloved Berkley, CA he has graced dozens of recordings – often with his 7 and 9-string instruments – and he has graced stages with artists such as Ed Thigpen, Fareed Haque, Pete Cosey, and Roy Haynes!  Check out Edo at  www.edocastro.com

BAJ:  Edo!  Thanks for taking a moment to chat with us at Bass Musician Magazine, man!  “Phoenix” is a very cool release and I am so glad you sent a copy to us!  It is so nice to hear maturity in your fine playing and compositions!  Please describe your composing practice and tell us how the music “went to tape”?

EC: Thank you for having me. I’m flattered that you’re enjoying “Phoenix”. This project came together easily compared to my first CD “Edo” which took 7 years. To make a long story short, my first CD took 7 years because I was just making excuses not to finish it. But I did it.  Anyway all the ideas that had been percolating from the first CD eventually revealed themselves in the latest recording. I worked on most of the material at home recording to disk on my computer. I’m not much of midi person these days. I like the organic process of real instruments playing one track at a time. Midi has been a great tool for me in the past but it was a sterile process. Even when I use my Conklin Midi bass for recording I’m recording the audio from the GR 33 and not the midi information. Recording Midi data took away the art of playing my instrument and I began to just futz with zeros and ones. Tweaking events and processes that had to do more with the computer than the bass. It just didn’t feel right…

For me composing is a varied path and I don’t approach writing the same way twice. At times it starts off as a bass line, a chord progress or a melodic idea. Sometimes I write it down on manuscript paper and other times I just record the germ seed idea on my loop pedal or in my computer. From there I work out the ideas until I feel I have an organized idea. Sometimes I just have bits and pieces pre-recorded that sit around until I get the inspiration to finish it.

Take for instance “Song of the Electric Whales”. I created this spacious slow loop and recorded it to my computer. Two months later, I watched the movie, The Whale Rider, which gave me the idea to complete the song. I thought to myself “hey I know how to make those whale sounds!” Once I created those whale sounds the melody came easily. I used a volume pedal to give it that underwater feeling.

In the last 10 years I’ve gotten into letting an idea take shape on it’s own with very little pressure from me. I’ve been enjoying “stumbling onto something by accident.” My version of “Amazing Grace” was completely unplanned. I just created another wonderful layered loop. But I had no melody. For months I tried writing a melody. Then one day I started playing this loop and the melody for “Amazing Grace” just came out from my hands. So I just went with that! The alternate lyrics you hear on “Amazing Grace” came 1 year later while I was driving to a gig in Central California. The original concept can be seen on You Tube that I uploaded a year or so ago. (www.youtube.com/watch?v=EchlvnpCUVg) or search Edo bass Loop. It’s the first performance of that tune.

For “Phoenix” I wanted to get into what I refer to as “changing the moment.” I first experienced this when I heard the opening harmonics passage to Pat Metheny’s tune “San Lorenzo”. Those notes (and the arrangement of those notes) made my hair stand on end. Time seemed to stand still as I listened to the music unfold.

This was the first time I really experienced space, melodic intention and a story telling in music outside of vocal music. Prior to hearing this I had only been listening to pop music and the fusion stuff like Return To Forever with Chick, Stanley, Al and Lenny. Don’t get me wrong I think the music of RTF is beautiful, complex and very intense. But I tend to gravitate towards a particular sound or feeling that is much more relaxed and less athletic musically.

“Phoenix” wasn’t meant to be party music but you might play this while eating dinner, sitting late at night or just having it in the background. It’s a veiled complexity. When you first listen to the album you think, “hmmm new age.” But when you dig deeper, there’s a lot of great stuff going on just below the surface.

Take for example the opening Track “Beneath an Evening Sky” by Ralph Towner. This tune has some beautiful rhythmic/harmonic structures. It starts off in 6/4 then in the middle of it goes briefly into 5/4 then back into 6/4. The F# Major 7 +5 chord at the end of the B section is a beautiful turn around to come back to the B Minor to G Major 7 #11 arpeggio. A friend of mine transcribed it around 1986-87 and I figured out how to play the chord voicings on 6 string bass. I had forgotten about that tune until I found the manuscript in my drawer a few years ago. I pulled it out and the song was still under my hand after some 20 years!

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BAJ:  The incorporation of the vertical double flute, tabla and pedal steel on various pieces is brilliant!  You have a very unique thought process and ear, man.  Kudos!  Would you describe your “favorite” tune on the disc and how it came together?EC: Again thank you for you kind comments. That is a wonderful piece and I’m quite proud of that one. The Tabla drums and pedal steel played key role in “Bone Dreams” sounding the way it did. I pretty much had the vision about the instrumentation for this song from the start. But as of this moment it’s not my favorite track. My favorite track at this moment is the title track “Phoenix”. I wrote this back in 1984-85. It started off as 3 separate tunes. Then one day while sitting at the piano I had all 3 scores sitting there in front of me and I thought “let’s play them together.” So what you hear on the album is how the score came to be. I used the 2nd section of the tune as the rubato introduction. The Db to D hits was used as transition between each of the sections. It worked out beautifully. What I’m proud of is that this music has stood the test of time. It sounds just as fresh and exciting as it did when I first wrote it. I haven’t written a piece like that since then. There was a period where I wrote a whole tune in 15 minutes but it’s been rare as of late. The last 3 songs on my first CD entitled “Edo” were written within 30 minutes. Separately of course!BAJ:  Let’s talk about “space in music”…  Also, who are your main musical influences?

EC: Oh I love space. It’s perhaps the most underrated tool in music. After 30 years of playing bass, I’m learning to be more relaxed with space and use it. I think we get nervous when there’s a blank spot and we tend to want to fill the void immediately. There are lots of players like this and I for one have been guilty of this on many occasions! When I started off playing bass I was very impressed with the amount of notes and chords some of my heroes played. I was especially impressed with the speed in which they played these notes.

Perhaps it was the perception of “many notes” and my lack of understanding or experience that led me to believe “many notes” meant great musicality. I usually refer to space as “Breath”. Music is no different from speaking or having a conversation. Between thoughts, there is a moment of silence that we all hang on to, before we hear the next thought. In music, the spaces in-between each note is so minute, so small that a whole note seems to last an eternity. When you use “breath” as part of your solo, it really makes a difference. Anybody can play fast, use a lot of notes and play a lick. But it’s the artist who uses space as part of their melodic language that is going to impress me the most. Again my analogy here is more eloquent, like ballet versus running a race. Sure we can get caught in the excitement of the moment and run with an idea, but I have a tendency to run out of gas if I just play fast out of the gate. It’s much more demanding to build and create a story, rather than blow a bunch of “dig me” licks. So I practice taking my time and building an idea in a solo or bass line.

As far as which bassist has been an influence on me, every bass player that has come before me has been a major influence: Bootsy, Donald Duck Dunn, James Jamerson, Scott LaFaro, Ray Brown, Stu Hamm, Michael Manring and Ron Carter to name a few. But I do have my favorites: Mark Egan, Marcus Miller, Eberhard Weber, Jaco, Jimmy Haslip, Steve Swallow and Anthony Jackson. I tend to favor the electric players because I’m an electric player. My latest favorite is Carles Benevent from Spain. He’s amazing and has his own sound!

My main influences as a composer come from the likes of Jan Garbarek, Vince Mendoza, Charlie Haden, Lyle Mays, Pat Metheny, Ralph Towner, Eberhard Weber and Egberto Gismonte. Steve Khan’s “Eyewitness” recordings with Anthony Jackson have been a big influence on me compositionally. Pianist Bill Evans continues to be an influence on me as a soloist and a composer. I have almost every album that’s been released/re-released before and after his passing. Talk about space… Bill Evans is the king when it comes to playing with space.

BAJ:  You have a busy performance and session schedule.  What does your average week consist of, musically speaking, and with whom are you playing at this writing?

EC: I’m working with Edgetone Records artist Drummer/Composer Eric “Doc” Smith. He’s playing an Electronic Triggering device called a “Zen Drum.” I’ve been looking for someone like me who’s walked away from the traditional role of the instrument that they play and created another way to express themselves. Eric is the guy I’ve been looking for. He doesn’t play a kit drum much these days and that’s really great. Between my loops, my midi bass and Eric triggering sound, you hear all these sounds coming from 2 musicians. The possibilities are endless between the 2 of us.

Just recently I played with Atlanta GA Guitarist Ronnda Cadell who I met through myspace.com Ronnda drove out from Georgia and just gigged along the way to the West Coast. She’s a wonderful artist and musician to work with. She gave me carte blanche with her songs. At the end of the night she just had this big grin on her face and said, “Thank you for making me sound like Joni Mitchell.” She was referring to Joni’s album “Hejira” with Jaco Pastorius. That was a fine compliment because I spent many hours pouring over all those progressions and arrangements. That’s a beautiful album.

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BAJ:  What are you listening to these days? Also, who are the artists you find yourself returning to again-and-again?EC: I love all kinds of music so I try to have varied diet of listening. Lately I’ve been listening to Herbie Hancock’s “Possibilities” disc, and Imogen Heap’s disc “Speak For Yourself”. Man Everything Herbie touches is magic. His other album “River-The Joni Letters” is amazing. Imogen Heap is a wonderful composer and a great arranger who reminds me of Kate Bush. She definitely has a style all her own that I find appealing. Man can she orchestrate her music.But the music that I seem to return to is, Joni Mitchell, Patsy Cline, Stevie Wonder, Johnny Cash, Laura Niro, Carole King, James Taylor, Miles Davis, Bill Evans (the Pianist), Paul Desmond, Pat Metheny, Steve Khan, The Yellow Jackets, Enrico Rava, Charlie Haden, Egberto Gismonte, Eberhard Weber, John Taylor, Bill Frisell, Ralph Towner and Tord Gustavsen. Paul Desmond is an oddity in that I see him as player who really re-composes a tune through his solos. I don’t recall a too many tunes written by him. There’s Take 10 and some others but I can’t recall. I’d have to look through my collection to verify that. Nonetheless, his tone, deliverance of each note and his lyrical approach is breathtaking. They recently re-released Paul Desmond’s album “Bridge Over Troubled Water”. It’s somewhat dated in it’s arrangements & Orchestration but nonetheless it’s gorgeous. It’s some of the finest playing I’ve heard in 50 years. Don Sebesky arranged the music. Guest musicians include Herbie Hancock, Airto, Ron Carter and a host of others.

BAJ:  Would you tell our readers one of your most important life lessons?

EC: I think the biggest lesson for me has been to appreciate where I am in my life and not focus on where I am not at in my life. I spent a good portion of my life fretting because my life didn’t unfold as I imagined it would. This caused me to overlook the opportunities and possibilities that were right in front of me. Under the surface I was unhappy. Living in the present moment by appreciating the things that you do have brings contentment and joy.
Besides everyone loves being around a happy person.

2) Always be thankful for everything and not overlook the smallest of things. This probably part 2 of lesson 1. You can have all the money in the world, but it would be worthless if you were sick or dying. I believe if you live your life with gratitude, you generally tend to be a happier healthy person. Happiness is contagious and it really changes people around you when you’re happy.

3) Don’t be influenced by what people think of you or your art. Insecurity is our worst enemy. That’s not to say we should be conceited. For me it’s about believing in what you do and holding true to your vision. There are folks out there who would like to undermine your thinking and get you confused. Don’t be afraid of people disliking what you do in your art.
Not everyone is going to get it and that’s OK.

4) Trust your instincts. If you feel something’s not right, you’re probably right.

5) Be true to yourself. We all want to fit in and be cool, hip etc. I think that’s a mistake. Did you ever find times in your life where you did things you didn’t really care for or didn’t want to do but said yes so you could be seen as cool or fit in? That’s being submissive to the will of others. I think when we stop “trying to be something” we begin to take on an authentic self and step away from “the hipness factor.” Everything about us is more genuine. It’s human nature to want to be identified with a group.  Yet, each of us wants to be seen as an individual or unique. It’s a crazy paradox for the psyche. My friend and bassist Yves Carbonne and I have this ongoing joke to see who can play the slowest. The point is we’re not trying to sound like Marcus Miller or Jaco nor are we trying to impress anyone by playing the fastest bass line or solos. We are just being ourselves. Besides there can only be one Jaco, or one Marcus Miller. Why be a great imitator?

LIFE, like music, is an evolutionary process… These life lessons I mentioned are things I work on every day. The more I work at them the more applicable they become in my life, just like practicing scale modes, arpeggios and other musical exercises. Again this is just my prospective and there are those who would disagree with me or find these things not applicable to themselves. If anything, I think about this old Chinese proverb I heard years ago, “If you want to know what the road is like up ahead, ask the traveler who is coming in the other direction.”

Edo Castro by Brent-Anthony Johnson

BAJ:  When can we expect the follow-up to “Phoenix”?EC: My target completion date is the end of 2008 beginning of 2009 to have my 3rd CD finished. Some of my special guests will be, Eric “Doc” Smith, Dave Friesen, Michael Manring and a very talented local drummer Jonathan Moe. Ray Cooper will be on the mixer/producer side of things. I love working with him, Lisa Star and Passion Star Records. They get what I do and are very supportive of my vision.BAJ:  Other than “play music”, what do you do to stay grounded and focused?

EC: I think it’s really important to live your life so that you have something to say in your music. It’s quite admirable to practice 8-10 hours a day, (and I used to do that)! But outside your door life passing by, and its time we’ll never get back. Never. So I do everything I can to spend time with friends, my wife and loved ones, and get out and enjoy Nature. Be in the world. Sometimes I just sit and watch the grass grow and that is good too! These days we spend a lot of time on the Internet living in virtual space, traveling in cars, moving quickly and not being still. It’s really good to stop, unplug and touch the real world. I clean the house weekly, water my garden, work out, ride my bike, do yoga, play golf, read books or watch films. Oh yeah I love to cook.

BAJ:  Where is life taking you next, Edo?

EC: Ah the eternal question “Quo Vadis?” I do my best to live in the moment, day by day. This doesn’t mean I’m cavalier or that I’m guided by my whimsy or living a life of exuberance and drunkenness. It’s focusing on the tasks at hand and being mindful of the present. If someone is mopping floors to help cover the bills, then enjoy the task. It’s not permanent. Everything is in motion. If you make a mistake, figure it out and let it go. Like music if you hit a wrong note And obsess over it, you’re out of the musical moment and you’re many measures behind. Life is not so different.

I’d like to think that what I do now in the present that is positive, good and thoughtful would guide me to the next place where I should be while on this journey called “Life.” It’s easy to think we are in control of our lives but really we aren’t. We can only raise our sails, catch the prevailing winds and hope for calm seas and good weather. The better we are at adapting to what life gives us with a positive attitude the better our chances of having the things we want in our lives to materialize. I’m a firm believer that whatever we do, good or bad, is not over-looked. Our actions go out into the world like a stone falling into a pond. You never know what your actions will do or whom they will affect so it’s good to always be mindful.

As far as musical endeavors are concerned… I’m on a project called “K2” that was just released on Edgetone records, by Eric “Doc” Smith. I’m also working with a trio project with 2 great local players, Erik Lindquist on Guitar and Alex Aspinall on Drums. I’m also assisting Lisa Star (Passion Star) and Ray Cooper for their Cooper/Star material. Ray Cooper is an Executive Producer and Producer.

Lisa Star is co-writer on this material as well as vocalist. Ray Cooper produced “Phoenix”. I’ve got a live track from my performance opening for Manring, Kassin and Darter that will be on my next CD. The tune is called “It is what it is.” Eric “Doc” Smith is playing the Zen Drum. He had the difficult task of playing to my bass loops and did a brilliant job. I’m planning on going to NAMM 2009 in Anaheim CA. “Doc” Smith and I have been talking about doing some gigs in Europe. We will see. It’s just talk right now.

I also spend time searching for tone or a particular voice in an instrument. I’ve been fortunate to have some of the finest boutique basses made, yet the search for tone continues. Conklin basses continue to be my mainstay instruments providing me with great tone and flexibility. Bill Conklin is the guy that started it all with the multi-stringed bass movement. Bill is finishing up a bass for me as I type this. So I look forward to that. Last year I was given an opportunity to help co-design a bass with bass maker Fred Bolton of Bee Basses. The result is the “Stinger Bee”. That bass has the best organic sounding Fretless bass I’ve ever heard. I think it’s the combination of the acrylic saturated fingerboard and graphite neck that gives the bass its horn like qualities. The fingerboard feels like wood so the result is more “woody” in nature yet resilient to string wear. I hope to see a few more basses in my future. I’ve been very fortunate and blessed to have good life. I wish the same for you and your readers as well, Thank you.

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